Machine Comparison
Citizen Cincom D25 vs Citizen Cincom L12 Type VII
Citizen Machinery vs Citizen Machinery · Swiss-Type Lathes
Summary
The Citizen Cincom D25 and Citizen Cincom L12 Type VII are both from Citizen Machinery's swiss-type lathes lineup, making this a common upgrade or lineup decision for shops already invested in the Citizen Machinery ecosystem. On paper, the Citizen Cincom D25 edges ahead with advantages in 7 of the compared specifications, though real-world performance depends heavily on your specific applications and workholding. Both machines are proven performers in production environments and represent solid investments for shops in the market for a swiss-type lathe.
Specifications Comparison
| Specification | Citizen Cincom D25 | Citizen Cincom L12 Type VII |
|---|---|---|
| Control | Mitsubishi Meldas (Citizen software) | Mitsubishi Meldas (Citizen software) |
| Max Bar Capacity | 25 mm (0.984 in), 32 mm (1.26 in) option ▲ | 12 mm (0.472 in), 16 mm (0.630 in) option |
| Max Machining Diameter | 25 mm (0.984 in) ▲ | 12 mm (0.472 in) |
| Main Spindle Speed | 10,000 RPM | 15,000 RPM (GB) / 12,000 RPM (GBL) ▲ |
| Main Spindle Power | 3.7 / 5.5 kW (5 / 7.4 HP) ▲ | 2.2 / 3.7 kW (3 / 5 HP) |
| Back Spindle Speed | 10,000 RPM | 10,000 RPM |
| Back Spindle Power | 2.2 / 3.7 kW (3 / 5 HP) ▲ | 0.4 / 0.75 kW (0.5 / 1 HP) |
| Number Of Axes | 7-axis (D25-VII) / 5-axis simultaneous with B-axis (D25-VIII) | 7 |
| Number Of Tools | 35 - 59 (configuration dependent) ▲ | 27 |
| Gang Rotary Tool Speed | 9,000 RPM | 10,000 RPM ▲ |
| Guide Bushing | 250 mm fixed / Guide-bushless option | Yes / Guide-bushless option |
| Lfv Chip Breaking | Yes | Yes |
| Power Consumption | 13 kVA ▲ | 6.1 kVA |
| Machine Weight | 3,450 kg (7,606 lbs) ▲ | 1,700 kg (3,748 lbs) |
| Price Range | $200,000 - $350,000 | $120,000 - $200,000 ▲ |
Advantages
Citizen Cincom D25
- Superior max bar capacity at 25 mm (0.984 in), 32 mm (1.26 in) option vs 12 mm (0.472 in), 16 mm (0.630 in) option
- Superior max machining diameter at 25 mm (0.984 in) vs 12 mm (0.472 in)
- Superior main spindle power at 3.7 / 5.5 kW (5 / 7.4 HP) vs 2.2 / 3.7 kW (3 / 5 HP)
- Superior back spindle power at 2.2 / 3.7 kW (3 / 5 HP) vs 0.4 / 0.75 kW (0.5 / 1 HP)
- Superior number of tools at 35 - 59 (configuration dependent) vs 27
Citizen Cincom L12 Type VII
- Superior main spindle speed at 15,000 RPM (GB) / 12,000 RPM (GBL) vs 10,000 RPM
- Superior gang rotary tool speed at 10,000 RPM vs 9,000 RPM
- More competitive pricing at $120,000 - $200,000 compared to $200,000 - $350,000
Verdict
The Citizen Cincom D25 holds a spec advantage in this comparison, but the right choice depends on your shop's priorities. If the Citizen Cincom D25's strengths in areas like max bar capacity and max machining diameter align with your work, it's the clear pick. The Citizen Cincom L12 Type VII may still win on dealer proximity, existing tooling compatibility, or specific features that matter most to your applications. Request quotes from both dealers and, if possible, run your actual parts on each machine before deciding.