Machine Comparison
Citizen Cincom B16 vs Citizen Cincom D25
Citizen Machinery vs Citizen Machinery · Swiss-Type Lathes
Summary
The Citizen Cincom B16 and Citizen Cincom D25 are both from Citizen Machinery's swiss-type lathes lineup, making this a common upgrade or lineup decision for shops already invested in the Citizen Machinery ecosystem. The Citizen Cincom D25 shows specification advantages in 7 categories, though the Citizen Cincom B16 may still be the better choice depending on your shop's specific needs and the type of work you run. Both machines are proven performers in production environments and represent solid investments for shops in the market for a swiss-type lathe.
Specifications Comparison
| Specification | Citizen Cincom B16 | Citizen Cincom D25 |
|---|---|---|
| Control | Mitsubishi Meldas (Citizen software) | Mitsubishi Meldas (Citizen software) |
| Max Bar Capacity | 12 mm (0.472 in) | 25 mm (0.984 in), 32 mm (1.26 in) option ▲ |
| Max Machining Diameter | 12 mm (0.472 in) | 25 mm (0.984 in) ▲ |
| Main Spindle Speed | 12,000 RPM ▲ | 10,000 RPM |
| Main Spindle Power | 2.2 kW (3 HP) | 3.7 / 5.5 kW (5 / 7.4 HP) ▲ |
| Back Spindle Speed | 6,000 RPM | 10,000 RPM ▲ |
| Back Spindle Power | 1.0 kW (1.3 HP) | 2.2 / 3.7 kW (3 / 5 HP) ▲ |
| Number Of Tools | 13 - 16 | 35 - 59 (configuration dependent) ▲ |
| Guide Bushing | Yes (Removable Guide Bushing option) | 250 mm fixed / Guide-bushless option |
| Machine Weight | 1,150 kg (2,535 lbs) | 3,450 kg (7,606 lbs) ▲ |
| Price Range | $80,000 - $140,000 ▲ | $200,000 - $350,000 |
Advantages
Citizen Cincom B16
- Superior main spindle speed at 12,000 RPM vs 10,000 RPM
- More competitive pricing at $80,000 - $140,000 compared to $200,000 - $350,000
- Backed by Citizen Machinery's dealer and service network for parts and support
- Shops needing complete-part Swiss machining at the lowest possible dual-spindle price point from a major manufacturer
Citizen Cincom D25
- Superior max bar capacity at 25 mm (0.984 in), 32 mm (1.26 in) option vs 12 mm (0.472 in)
- Superior max machining diameter at 25 mm (0.984 in) vs 12 mm (0.472 in)
- Superior main spindle power at 3.7 / 5.5 kW (5 / 7.4 HP) vs 2.2 kW (3 HP)
- Superior back spindle speed at 10,000 RPM vs 6,000 RPM
- Superior back spindle power at 2.2 / 3.7 kW (3 / 5 HP) vs 1.0 kW (1.3 HP)
Verdict
The Citizen Cincom D25 edges ahead on specifications in this comparison, particularly in max bar capacity and max machining diameter. However, the Citizen Cincom B16 remains competitive and may be the better choice depending on price, dealer support in your area, or specific workholding and tooling considerations. Both are capable machines — the best decision comes from running your actual parts and evaluating total cost of ownership including tooling, training, and service.